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Vampirefo Premium Member 2001-Jan-30 11:37 am Warning About Tiny Firewall 2.0.8 Please read!!!!!I just got this today from Gibson research The New version of Tiny Firewall might destroy your computer, I have used 2.0.6 and 2.0.7, with no problems, But Steve said 2.0.8 hosed his pc. I report the good and the bad a like read his report here. |
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| B04 | B04 Premium Member 2001-Jan-30 11:54 am What the heck is Steve's problem today? Hasn't he ever heard of rebooting to DOS? How about Safe Mode? He used a "renaming trick" to delete "open" Tiny files, but all he had to do was delete them in DOS. And his machine wasn't exactly "hosed". He just had to remove Tiny by force. His system was intact after that -- he said nothing about rebuilding or re-installing anything. Weird. I did find it very interesting that 'Zone Alarm Pro nailed (and blocked) my paid-for copy of Eudora 5 (eMail client) from phoning home to report on my "eMail usage habits" Thanks anyway Eudora.' Wow, that sucks. All the more reason for me to keep using Pegasus, thank you! -- B |
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2kmaro 2001-Jan-30 12:35 pm said by Steve Gibson:So I was finally forced to hit the reset button which on my carefully hand-assembled main machine I have never done before. First time he ever used the reset button!? Well, that pretty well puts him out of touch with mainstream users, doesn't it!?;) |
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CJ30 Member 2001-Jan-30 12:49 pm You got that right. If it wasn't for that button, I'm sure I would have had to solder another on/off switch in my pc. I like the carefully hand-assembled part. I bet he had on static-free gloves, had 16gage wire taped to his arms grounded to the floor, hairnet, probably in a vacuum chamber wearing an oxygen mask, climate controlled to 72F, etc... |
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Wildcatboy to 2kmaro Mod 2001-Jan-30 1:15 pm I think his problem started when he was asked to press "Any key" to get out and he didn't know where the "Any key" was. |
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| B04 | B04 to 2kmaro Premium Member 2001-Jan-30 1:18 pm said by 2kmaro:said by Steve Gibson:So I was finally forced to hit the reset button which on my carefully hand-assembled main machine I have never done before.First time he ever used the reset button!? Well, that pretty well puts him out of touch with mainstream users, doesn't it!?;) Yeah, I'm not sure I believe him on that one either. And if he can get Windows 98SE to shut down reliably, he's got true god-like powers. -- B |
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kickahaota Member 2001-Jan-30 4:25 pm said by B:Yeah, I'm not sure I believe him on that one either. And if he can get Windows 98SE to shut down reliably, he's got true god-like powers. Worship me, foolish mortal. Lease me your sooooooooul. |
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BizKitBrAin Member 2001-Jan-30 4:31 pm I've been running 2.0.8 on my NT4 PDC for a month now and have had no problems. |
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Vampirefo Premium Member 2001-Jan-30 4:50 pm Build 8 Build 7 Build 6 Build 5 So how was you using 2.0.8 for a month? it just came out yesterday. |
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korupt to Vampirefo Member 2001-Jan-30 4:51 pm What's with Gibson, is he starting the b*tch of the month club? ...MHO - B$, now where is the reset button? By the way, have a nice day! |
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| astirusty | astirusty to B04 Premium Member 2001-Jan-30 5:17 pm quote: Yeah, I'm not sure I believe him on that one either. And if he can get Windows 98SE to shut down reliably, he's got true god-like powers. If you are having troubles with Windoze shutting down, try As for Steve G. and his reset button, well all I can say is his machine must be extreme vanilla (as in power supply, mobo, keyboard, ide disk and nothing else). |
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SuavePenguin Member 2001-Jan-30 8:43 pm quote:If you are having troubles with Windoze shutting down, try The "fast shutdown" can be disabled in Win98 (NOT 98SE!) by running msconfig, and clicking the "advanced" button. There you will see the box to disable "fast shutdown". Disabling this setting has helped me in a lot of cases where the user was having problems getting Win98 to shutdown properly. Also, the fast shutdown seemed to screw up a lot of settings in any open applications running during shutdown. It seems that Windows would just slam the applications closed, without properly shutting them down.The fast shutdown has been removed from Win98 SE as far as I can tell. |
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Demonspawn to astirusty Member 2001-Jan-30 9:36 pm Re: Warning About Tiny Firewall 2.0.8 Please read!UMAX!!!!!! UGH. I have one of those. Let me just say that is a wonderful piece of hardware that has the worlds sh*ttiest software (other than the network scan utility). Works like a charm under Linux using a TWAIN interface, however. --Demonspawn |
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TransitMan to SuavePenguin MVM 2001-Jan-30 11:54 pm Re: Warning About Tiny Firewall 2.0.8 Please read!!!!!fast Shutdown is still there. Just checked on it on my Win98Se. |
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SuavePenguin Member 2001-Jan-31 12:13 am said by TransitMan:fast Shutdown is still there. Just checked on it on my Win98Se. It's not there on mine, or the PC's at work. Different SP's of Win 98 SE, I suspect? Miamisburg, huh? Just got back from Germantown (and Carlisle, Middletown, etc.). |
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V7Goose Member 2001-Jan-31 12:59 am I remember reading somewhere in MS documentation on their web site that this option was removed in W98SE. Sorry I don't remember more about it. I have 98SE, and also cannot find it (which matches my memory and SuavePenguin's systems). |
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Hutchy to Demonspawn Premium Member 2001-Jan-31 4:28 am Re: Warning About Tiny Firewall 2.0.8 Please read!I tried this Tiny Fire wall out. You can keep it. I like to spend my time doing useful things with my pc. I do not wish to sit there configuring this Fire Wall. I'll just stick to ZAP. Its actually easier to configure. Another thing when i tested Tiny Fire Wall at »grc.com. to my astonishment i was greeted with a hello (USER NAME) And even if the Tiny Fire Wall on the standard install settings. I tried to set the rules up as per the instructions. But i got so frustrated with Tiny Fire Wall i un installed it. AND I DID NOT HAVE TO USE THE REST BUTTON. |
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| BlitzenZeus | BlitzenZeus Premium Member 2001-Jan-31 5:30 am Judge, Its not as easy to use as ZA, but is a helluva lot more configurable. The one problem I see for default communications is it permits netbios, that is why grc said that. You must take control of your ruleset, and know what your communications are doing. You can give very open rules, or very specific rules. It does exactly what the rules tell it to do. So go into the administration, and 'advanced' will lead you to the rules. Here's where YOU play god when it comes to your communications to and from YOUR computers. |
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Hutchy Premium Member 2001-Jan-31 6:10 am I am still running ZAP. I don't really think Tiny is the fire Wall for me. I think i'll stick with ZAP it hasn't let me down yet. Thanks for the Advice anyway BlitzenZeus. I may give it try when i have time to sit down and configure Tiny. Have taken down notes from your post thanks |
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Vampirefo Premium Member 2001-Jan-31 6:55 am Re: Warning About Tiny Firewall 2.0.8 Please read!!!!!2.0.9 is out today, LOL With more to come in a few weeks.I have never seen a company so determined on trying to get a freeware so secure. Build 2.0.9 |
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e144539 Member 2001-Jan-31 8:21 am I love this, |
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| B04 | B04 to Vampirefo Premium Member 2001-Jan-31 10:25 am said by Vampirefo:2.0.9 is out today, LOL With more to come in a few weeks.I have never seen a company so determined on trying to get a freeware so secure. Then you didn't live through the ZoneAlarm releases! They were issuing new ones every couple of DAYS for a while there! I'm glad to see that Tiny is making the same effort to perfect their product. SuavePenguin, the point is that Win98 doesn't usually NEED to be tweaked much to get it to shut down properly. Win98 **SE**, however, just won't shut down (particularly if you have a network). Microsoft has released at least THREE patches (Windows 98 SE Shutdown Supplements) for this stupid issue, and none of them work for more than a few days. By the way, TransitMan might still have "Fast Shutdown" on Win98SE because he UPGRADED from Win98? Still haven't tried Tiny, but looking forward to it... -- B |
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Vampirefo Premium Member 2001-Jan-31 11:28 am I have W98SE as my host, Mine shutdown just fine, I have never got a patch, Mine hung 3 times since I networked it, I went to this site »www.aumha.org/a/shutdown.htm. Third Step: RULE OUT DAMAGED EXIT SOUND FILE An interesting variation on this issue: One online correspondent has found (in Windows Millennium) that when he had a shutdown problem and no Exit Windows sound, the problem was resolved by adding one! If this describes your situation -- give it a try! |
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| B04 | B04 Premium Member 2001-Jan-31 12:06 pm Thanks, Vampirefo! I had seen that page, or one much like it, before, but I couldn't find it again. I can't believe that a WAV file can make the difference -- how ridiculous -- but whatever works. Maybe I'll set my shutdown sound to None for a while. However, it's hard to test, since my laptop has been behaving lately about 80% of the time... Thanks again. -- B |
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V7Goose to B04 Member 2001-Jan-31 8:12 pm B, I don't want to downplay the shutdown problems with W98SE (I've seen them too), but it is not a universal problem - some systems run - and unrun - fine. Shortly after I got this system (with W98SE), I ran into the shutdown problems with a network. After much playing, I found that I could solve that problem by unmapping network drives before shutdown. Admittedly, this is NOT a desirable solution, nor should you have to do it, but I mention it in case someone is looking for a workaround. Oddly enough, I eventually did something (NO idea what) that solved the network shutdown problem completely! My W98SE system has shutdown reliably for over 9 months now. |
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| 61999674 (banned) | 61999674 (banned) to CJ30 Member 2001-Jan-31 9:30 pm a full scale "clean room" no less |
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JANDOENT to V7Goose Member 2001-Jan-31 10:55 pm MS has an update that takes care of the shut down problems. I have never had a problem since... How to Troubleshoot Windows 98 Second Edition Shutdown Problems For information about how to troubleshoot shutdown issues in Microsoft Windows 98, view the following article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base: Q202633 How to Troubleshoot Windows 98 Shutdown Problems IRQ Steering Plug & Play BIOS NVRAM/ESCD Fast Shutdown registry key is enabled Anti-virus Program Replacing Configmg.vxd File MORE INFORMATION Please wait while your computer shuts down or it may display only a blank screen and a blinking cursor. Windows 98 Second Edition Shutdown Supplement Microsoft recommends following the troubleshooting steps outlined in this article. If, after following the steps outlined in this article, the computer continues to exhibit shutdown problems, Microsoft suggests applying this update. For additional information about the Windows 98 Second Edition Shutdown Supplement, click the article number below to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base: You can download the patch HERE |
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gwion to Vampirefo 2001-Jan-31 11:22 pm Just downloaded 2.0.9 - very nice. Just some minor upgrades, but it has a nicer user interface in the automated rule construction popup. I do recommend you back up any existing rulesets, as the upgrade can overwrite the files. (persfw.conf). I do like what they've done... it was my major peeve that I had to make an "all" rule, then go in to edit it... this allows you to specify ports and such right in the dialog box. |
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V7Goose to JANDOENT Member 2001-Feb-1 11:02 pm Microsoft's shutdown patches (there are at least two for W98SE) didn't do anything to solve my problems with the mapped network drives. I'm sure they helped others in their configuration, just not my problem. I fond much more help by removing each item in the MSCONFIG startup one at a time and seeing which ones were causing the hang, then looking for updates for those programs. |
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